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Lengua materna Estamos en el a o la supremac a del hombre es total el movimiento de liberaci n de la mujer ha sido aplastado y las mujeres est n desprovistas de ning n poder Se ha establecido contacto con otr

  • Title: Lengua materna
  • Author: Suzette Haden Elgin
  • ISBN: null
  • Page: 379
  • Format: Paperback
  • Estamos en el a o 2179, la supremac a del hombre es total, el movimiento de liberaci n de la mujer ha sido aplastado y las mujeres est n desprovistas de ning n poder.Se ha establecido contacto con otros mundos, y la tierra ha comenzado su colonizaci n de las estrellas Las dinast as de los Ling istas han aceptado la tarea de hablar con los alien genas, y un poder inmenso hEstamos en el a o 2179, la supremac a del hombre es total, el movimiento de liberaci n de la mujer ha sido aplastado y las mujeres est n desprovistas de ning n poder.Se ha establecido contacto con otros mundos, y la tierra ha comenzado su colonizaci n de las estrellas Las dinast as de los Ling istas han aceptado la tarea de hablar con los alien genas, y un poder inmenso ha ca do en sus manos.Esta novela trata de la guerra fr a entre los sexos, y de la resistencia oculta de las mujeres que desarrollan el L adan, un lenguaje secreto propio Suzette Haden Elgin, novelista de ciencia ficci n y profesora de ling stica, combina sus talentos para crear una sociedad en la que el comercio interplanetario ha convertido el lenguaje en un bien precioso y por tanto ha dado al llamado sexo d bil un arma para liberarse si se atreven a usarlo.Suzette Haden Elgin, que vive en Arkansas, es doctora en Ling stica y ha impartido clases en la Universidad de California en San Diego, especializ ndose en lenguajes indios americanos, especialmente el navajo, hopi y kumeyaay Novelista de ciencia ficci n desde 1969, ha publicado un total de nueve novelas de ciencia ficci n y fantas a, as como numerosos textos ling sticos Lengua Materna es su trabajo m s reciente Tambi n ha compilado un Primer Diccionario y Gram tica del L adan.

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    1. Suzette Haden Elgin

      Suzette Haden Elgin was an American science fiction author She founded the Science Fiction Poetry Association, and is considered an important figure in the field of science fiction constructed languages Elgin was also a linguist she published non fiction, of which the best known is the Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense series.Born in 1936 in Missouri, Elgin attended the University of California, San Diego UCSD in the 1960s, and began writing science fiction in order to pay tuition She has a Ph.D in linguistics, and was the first UCSD student to ever write two dissertations on English and Navajo She created the engineered language L adan for her Native Tongue science fiction series A grammar and dictionary was published in 1985 She is a supporter of feminist science fiction, saying women need to realize that SF is the only genre of literature in which it s possible for a writer to explore the question of what this world would be like if you could get rid of X , where X is filled in with any of the multitude of real world facts that constrain and oppress women Women need to treasure and support science fiction 1 In addition, she published works of shorter fiction Overlying themes in her work include feminism, linguistics and the impact of language, and peaceful coexistence with nature Many of her works also draw from her Ozark background and heritage.Elgin became a professor at her alma mater s cross town rival, San Diego State University SDSU She retired in 1980.

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    1. Read for book club.OK, first off: Suzette Haden Elgin is clearly a separatist, who believed that both women and men would be better off apart from each other. (Not that she seemed to care much about what might be better for men.)I do not agree with this premise (not even a tiny bit) - but I'm not demeriting the book for holding a viewpoint I disagree with. There are some interesting ideas brought up - but most of them are dropped, never to be picked up again. Elgin was a linguist, and as such, d [...]


    2. Noting the passing last week of Suzette Haden Elgin: linguist, verbal self-defense teacher, feminist genre writer, & founder of the Science Fiction Poetry Association. I read Native Tongue in my first push of reading harder sci-fi a few years ago, and found her approach to the genre really eye-opening. Though perhaps her hopes for the embrace of a universal, revolutionary women's language were disappointed, her writing was proof enough of how writing can change perception. R.I.P. Suzette Had [...]


    3. Absolutely excellent. I know The Handmaid's Tale gets more press and praise, but this is a far more realistic and chilling misogynist future. There's really so much meaty stuff, and I'm so far from eloquent, that I'll just say read it and leave it at that.


    4. This book had an amazing concept. It was full of amazing ideas (the creation of a secret language for an oppressed second class - women). But, it lacked several things, in my opinion, that prevented it from living up to the proclamation: "feminist science fiction classic."One of those things was characterization. The first one hundred or so pages in the book had no distinct character for the reader to engage with. There are several plot points expounded in male points of view that readers are su [...]


    5. I'll never forgive the university professors who made me read this novel. Some of the sci-fi elements in it were interesting and it posed some compelling linguistic questions but mostly it was just tiresome. The majority of the narrative is the kind heavy-handed man-hating that has done more to hurt the cause of feminism than further it. Every man in the novel is a cowardly, misogynistic tyrant while every woman is a long-suffering, angelic saint. I found the whole thing simply tedious.


    6. 4.5 stars. Excellent story with well drawn characters (both male and female) and an original premise. Recommended!!


    7. It's the 22nd century, and men are in total control. Women have no legal standing as adults; every aspect of their lives is in control of a man. The Linguists are in charge of the world. They have become the translators for the alien creatures Earth needs to trade with. So begins the fascinating novel Native Tongue.The society created by Suzette Haden Elgin is easy to believe. The world is interesting and the characters true to life. Women are essentially slaves, and the behavior of the men is t [...]


    8. Upon buying:Just look at how amazing that cover is. HOW COULD I SAY NO.Upon finishing:The cover had disappointingly little to do with the book. I wanted babies in giant test tubes presided over by gigantic happy aliens, ok?I am torn as to what I should rate this book. I think it's a 3.5 but I'll round up. Parts of the feminism were so ridiculous that after a while I was like God I get it, women's lives suck in your future! Women are considered minors in this crappy future, and can't hold jobs or [...]


    9. Women have no rights and are the property of men. Aliens communicate with humans through the families of the linguist 'Lines', who have a monopoly on learning Alien languages. The women of the Lines, as restricted and patronized as any other women, have developed a secret language for women only. If the men find out, they're doomed. But the Aliens are watching I read this book years ago (it was published in 1984) and I had an immediate visceral reaction: yes, she's right. The male characters pat [...]


    10. I enjoyed it the first time I read it (I've studied Linguistics myself, which made it interesting) and I occasionally enjoy re-reading. But the re-reads expose more and more holes in the plot that get more and more irritating.How on earth did the US constitution get amended at a time when women still had the vote? And why does a change to the US constitution apparently affect the whole world?Why do Linguists live so austerely as a public relations measure when they can see for themselves that it [...]


    11. [Update Feb 2015: SHE has passed away. catherineldfvejournal/2]I've been seeing the sequel to this book in my public library (a ratty paperback) since I was a kid, and wanted to read it, but have never found the first volume.


    12. Considering how obsessed I am with dystopian science fiction, I can't believe I never read this feminist cult classic until now. It's not as well-written as the Handmaid's Tale, but it's still pretty amazing. The stuff about language reminds me a lot of 1984 and the Newspeak dictionary--the idea that taking away words for certain concepts or creating/encoding words for others can change the way people think and behave and affect whether they have the capacity to rebel against an authoritarian re [...]


    13. When your novel starts with a board meeting, you know you're in for a real thrill ride. I feel like this was written by an author with good ideas and solid linguistic knowledge, but no real feel for writing fiction. The multiple plots meshed together awkwardly. The characters were mostly one-dimensional, particularly the male linguists. Almost everything was told, not shown. Does this have value, as the essay in my edition* claims, as a feminist document? I don't know. In 1984 when this was publ [...]


    14. This fiction is one of the more masterful pieces of literature of the 20th century. It should be considered for inclusion in reading lists for English majors. Don't let that terrorize you. The book is engrossing; the plot is multilayered; the concept is unique; and the characters are easy to understand.On the surface it's about learning to communicate with life forms so alien, it requires human children to interact with aliens during the child's language forming years. A secondary plot line deal [...]


    15. First let me say that the "concept" of this book is definitely 5 stars. The idea that a language can influence culture and behavior, and ultimately the outcome of history is really brilliant. However, the author fails to take this brilliant idea beyond the concept. The plot drags, the storytelling is boring, the characterizations are flat, and the flow is cumbersome.There are so many flaws in this story. The characters are terribly two -dimensional, almost to the point of being inhuman. For exam [...]


    16. The premise that language shapes worldview is attractive but much disputed. Audre Lorde famously said that one cannot use the master's tools to dismantle the master's house, which seems to be the foundation of this very angry book. Other reviewers have noted the chracter traits seem to line up positively and negatively along gender lines, and I think Haden Elgin was conscious enough of trying to avoid that to introduce some (underdeveloped) outliers to offset that criticism. That said, I thought [...]


    17. The premise of this book is intriguing - a future where a combination of alien contact and patriarchal rule has led to a subculture of women-centered linguistics. Sadly, focuses mostly on the male perspective, never makes the world believable, and never really delves into the "revolutionary" idea of a female language.


    18. Native Language by Suzette Haden Elgin offers us an alternate present where men have taken back all the rights of women. In this new reality not only are women property again there are Aliens and a certain few family lines have learned to train their young to speak those languages. In general they have trapped themselves. The general population hates them for their absolute dependancy and the government encourages a media that lies about their excess just to feed that hatred. I don’t know how [...]


    19. At first it was the cover. I couldn't resist the cuuute little baby facing the smiling alien!Then, I plunged head first in the linguist families who facilitate human communication with alien races (that's the SF part). I met the struggling women of the Lines, poor Nazareth Chorniak being bred like cattle and ill-treated in a future dystopian American society where the 19th Amendment was repealed in 1996 and women have been stripped of civil rights.(That's the social part. By the way, in that soc [...]


    20. Native Tongue explores a dystopic future in which women have lost all legal rights and humanity has colonized the solar system and made contact with multiple alien species. The main thrust of the book follows the efforts of a group of female linguists to create a language for women that will change their oppressed position in life.Some interesting concepts here—it isn't surprising that the author, a linguist, has put more thought into the potential challenges of communicating with aliens than [...]


    21. I found this book surprisingly enjoyable. The plot and characters are excellent, and it is very well written. The feminist angle is laid on pretty thick, and as such there are parts which angered me quite a bit, but once I got past the first few chapters that started to fade away as the plot gained momentum. Elgin has created a society and a future that is both fascinating and infuriating, an appropriate backdrop for the machinations of these heroic women whose intelligence is so inconceivable t [...]


    22. A nice concept, badly executed. From reading this I got the image of the author sitting behind a typewriter bashing the keys while screaming 'All men are bastards!' over and over again.Besides that, the dystopian society is just not very well realised. Why are women second class citizens? *shrug* As far as I remember, it isn't mentioned. I would have to assume it's because all men are bastards.Having more of the language in the actual book would have been nice. For a good feminist dystopian stor [...]


    23. In the narrow sub-genre of feminist science fiction, this is definitely one of those books that deserves to be more widely read. Elgin's goal with this book, and its sequels, seems to me to be a misguided one because we don't live in a society like the one she portrays in this book, but the story she built around this concept is told with sly humor and just enough nods to pulpy sci-fi tropes to reel in unsuspecting readers with its bold political message.A lot of the negative reviews of this boo [...]


    24. It's not an easy read. I had problem reading it, especially first half was dragging on and on for me. I didn't find this whole concept of liberating women through language all that interesting. It's probably me, not the book, though. Reading afterword was quite interesting, but it also made me sure the book is over-political. I don't think I will read remaining two parts of the trilogy, simply not my cup of tea. Even though linguistics are fascinating, this book isn't.


    25. GOSH WOW I could not put Native Tongue down.It did not start promisingly. The first page is just the text of two 1991 amendments to the Constitution that revoke all rights for women. And we're supposed to believe that's just the way it is for another 200 years, to the point where our story takes place. This is hyperbolic (granted, I was born in 1988: maybe the women's rights movement was more precarious in the mid-80s than seems possible to me), but if you can accept it as a premise and outlast [...]


    26. Let me first say that the premise of Native Tongue is extremely interesting. In a future where women have become subjugated to a greater degree than even our shameful past, a small group of "Linguists" take on the task of speaking with other sentient alien species. They do this by exposing their infants to the extraterrestrials during the period where children can absorb languages like sponges.This obviously gives Linguists great faculties with language, and it comes about that women eventually [...]


    27. Too Many Unanswered Questions.I read Elgin's Native Tongue because it was touted as on par with Brave New World and The Handmaid's Tale. While it treats similar topics, it is not as good as either of those classics. A major flaw for me is that the book's main premises are unexplained. First, the novel begins with excerpts from (fictional) constitutional amendments which repeal women's right to vote, and transform them into legal minors. While a similar premise is carefully and plausibly explaine [...]


    28. Native Tongue reads as though someone had crafted an interesting and beautiful SciFi novella, but then battered and distorted it with the crude hammer of Feminism, somehow doubling its length in the process. In some places there are distinct paragraphs, pages, or chapters that seem haphazardly inserted into the text, written in a different style and without the nuance of character or theme of the surrounding words, just to drive home some blatant idea about gender relations. The unevenness of th [...]


    29. The majority (and important part) of this book takes place about 200 years from now. The world has changed dramatically. Aliens are our trading partners and women have been relegated to the role of perpetual child. All their rights have been removed and they are allowed to do nothing without permission from their male relatives. The Linguists, a group of families that devote their time to the aquisition of new alien languages, are the prime focus of the book, and we learn many fascinating things [...]


    30. Seriously gripping, amazingly inventive, torturingly upsetting, and so much that is true and must be considered in our every day lives, folded into a fantastic science fiction novel.I mistakenly thought as I was reading, that this was modeled after Atwood's brilliant "The Handmaid's Tale." No, that was published after "Native Tongue." But if you are familiar with Atwood's work, this awesome novel by Elgin can roughly and inadequately be described as something reminiscent of The Handmaid's Tale b [...]


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